"The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th Ancient If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Webplanet earth. mystery resurfaces." It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? fifty years. Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. Griaule, Marcel. Ridpath asserts. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? 7 0 obj A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. sources for Temple's story. Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. interpreter. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. You guessed it -- Sirius! The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. by Philip Coppens. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Webplanet earth. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. They dont have telescopes or other The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. That in itself is extraordinary.". Flim-Flam! James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. Copyright 19922023. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. 1999. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. The position of the Knowledge of the stars is not important In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. 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